Talk:Garfield Todd

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The article refers to Garfield Todd's daughter as "Grace Todd" -- should that read "Judith Todd" ?

--- 10:29, 11 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Neutrality disputed[edit]

This is not a neutral article. It describes the Rhodesian government which Ian Smith led as a "regime". The word "regime" is invariably used in a derogatory sense in politics and it especially was in the Rhodesian context. I suggest that the word "government" be used instead. The so called "guerrillas" in this article were always referred to as terrorists in Rhodesia, due to their particularly brutal methods of intimidation. If the author cannot accept this word for the forces operating against the Rhodesian government, then I suggest that their proper names "ZANLA" and "ZIPRA" be used and let people judge for themselves when they read about these armies. I doubt if the author/s ever lived in Rhodesia because the paragraph about sexual relations between the races is particularly offensive, as such relations were uncommon due to most people (of all races in Rhodesia) having a negative attitude towards inter-racial sex. It was actually not difficult to engage in inter-racial sex if one felt that way inclined. Despite the fact that Garfield Todd was born in New Zealand, by having been a prime minister of Southern Rhodesia he was expected to show allegiance to Rhodesia. When he later assisted the enemies of Rhodesia this could have been judged as an act of treason. This being the case the house arrest imposed by the Rhodesian Government was very lenient. Initially the political alternative offered by Garfield Todd could be seen as an alternative liberal agenda. However, later it became clear that the enemies of Rhodesia would only see such ideas as a weakness and intensify their attacks. Time has in any case proved Garfield Todd wrong; he was stripped of his Zimbabwean citizenship by the very people he supported in their brutal acts of aggression against the people of Rhodesia. This can only be seen as pathetic, when a man is rejected not only by those he was against but also by those he supported. Garfield Todd should have stayed in New Zealand, a former British colony that was already tamed when he left it. The article says he was a Christian, quite frankly I find it difficult to reconcile Christian beliefs with the support of communist backed armies that commit the most horrendous and brutal acts upon their own people. I have been unable to retire for the night; I was so upset by this article. I have reinstated the original article but my alterations can be viewed at an earlier edit dated 31st May, 2007. 14:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Sir Robert Tredgold in his book 'The Rhodesia that was my Life' refers to the Rhodesian government before UDI and the Rhodesian regime thereafter. He was a former Southern Rhodesian Minister of Defence and the Chief Justice of the Central African Federation, and thus well qualified, indeed uniquely qualified, on constitutional grounds to distinguish between a legitimate government and an illegal regime as governed Rhodesia after UDI.Bedwasboy (talk) 22:32, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

By that logic any secessionist government would be illegitimate and American Governments after the the declaration of indepence "regimes". -- (talk) 21:28, 6 August 2013 (UTC)
Nope, US independence was recognised by UK in the Treaty of Paris (1783). Babakathy (talk) 11:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Abuse allegations[edit]

This filthy child abuser was taken to court for beating the naked buttocks of dozens of girls under his care at Dadaya, early in his career. Once again we have another deviant, with a desire to abuse children and young women, who used the cover of the church, and the lack of Human rights for most Africans at the time. That this monster became Prime Minister of one of the most racist states in Human history should not surprise us. No doubt, racist 'apologists' will tell us how much the 'native' people believed in 'child-whipping', but the depraved Todd came from a community (New Zealand) where a male stripping and beating young women would have been considered perverted and horrific. The court case detailed 59 examples of Todd brutally- and clearly for his own sexual pleasure- beating more than four dozen females from 10-18 years old. The blows were entirely given to the naked buttocks, a clear give-away of sexual intent. For any moron wanting to suggest that the sexual aspect of such acts were unknown at the time, flagellant pornography has existed for as long as Humans have produced erotic material, and the Victorians produced much material, no doubt much of which Todd owned, detailing fantasies in school settings. I would edit the main page, but anyone familiar with how Wikipedia really works knows that Wikipedia actively creates systems 'protecting' the reputations of 'powerful' or 'significant' people from truthful details of their criminal past. A good example of this is how edits correctly describing the mother of 'Bandar Bush' as being a rape-slave are always removed, to protect the reputation of Saudi Arabia strongmen in the service of the USA (Saudi Arabia mostly used slaves for the purposes of rape, and didn't abolish slavery until the second half of the 20th century).

*yawn* - references please? Do you have any articles online from credible sources that describe this ? Wizzy 08:39, 23 July 2012 (UTC)